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President Trump would Stay in Iraq & Take their Oil

April 4, 2011 by Brett Wilkins in Conservatives with 9 Comments

Donald Trump, America’s most famous businessman and a possible 2012 Republican presidential candidate, laid out his Iraq strategy on Fox News. A guest on the top-rated O’Reilly Factor, Trump told host Bill O’Reilly that the US should stay in Iraq and take their oil.

“In the old days when you had wars, you win, right?” he said. “You win. To the victor belonged the spoils. So when we go to Iraq, we spend $1.4 trillion so far and thousands of lives are lost, right? … And we’re going to leave and 15 minutes after we leave, Iran is going to go into Iraq.”

What would President Trump do differently than Bush and Obama? “You stay and protect the oil and you take the oil and you take whatever is necessary for them and you take what’s necessary for us and we pay our self back $1.5 trillion or more. We take care of Britain, we take care of other countries that helped us and we don’t be so stupid.”

Trump continued: “You look at wars over the years… A country goes in, they conquer and they stay. We go in, we conquer and then we leave. And we hand it to people that we don’t even know. Now, who are the people that are going to be running Iraq? The person that hates the United States the most will be running Iraq. So, in a nutshell, we go in, we take over the second largest oil fields and we stay.”

Just what the American people want, a re-escalation of a war that’s drained our treasury and claimed the lives of over 5,000 of our young men and women in uniform, not to mention more than 100,000 Iraqis.

The Donald hasn’t exactly been displaying the type of wisdom one would hope to associate with a presidential candidate. He’s thrown his lot in with the “birthers,” that idiotic movement of Tea Party types who deny or disbelieve that President Obama was born in the United States and thus eligible to be President. Even Fox News’ Glenn Beck, cable news’ high priest of idiocy, says he’s “uncomfortable” with Trump’s birther blabber. And now this. Good luck choosing your man (or woman), Republicans; the current field of contenders almost makes George W. Bush look good!

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  1. exposeobamaApril 5, 2011 at 9:00 amReply

    What’s wrong with that? We did them a big favor. Why shouldn’t we be paid back? How bout if it was your brother or father that died over there? What amount of money will ever replace him?

    • Brett WilkinsApril 5, 2011 at 9:44 amReplyAuthor

      Did they ask us to invade and occupy them, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, setting up torture camps and wrecking their infrastructure and economy in the process? Did they ask our corporations to move in, set up shop and establish monopolies over Iraqi resources (as Monsanto did in banning non-Monsanto seeds in many Iraqi crops that the people have been growing for thousands of years)? What you, and many Americans seem to have a hard time understanding, is that from the very beginning of US history you’ve been invading and conquering others while simultaneously somehow turning the people you invade into the “bad guys.” The Indians. The native Filipinos.The Vietnamese. The Iraqis. There are many more examples too, of people invaded by the USA who are doing nothing more than what you’d do if someone invaded your homeland– fighting for their freedom. Ironic that the world’s foremost champion of freedom is also the country that does the most to deny true freedom to others.

      • exposeobamaApril 5, 2011 at 11:12 amReply

        No, they didn’t ask. They were a little inconvenienced at the moment by Saddam’s Sons, Uday & Hooday (Or whatever his nane was) pouring acid down their throats, or screaming so loudly after being thrown into a live lion pit.

        I’ll bet those those people (Or their loved one’s) didn’t want us there.

        • Brett WilkinsApril 5, 2011 at 12:19 pmReplyAuthor

          The US supported the Hussein regime and even sold it the chemical weapons it used against its own people. Washington only started caring when Baghdad stopped following orders. Also, more than 100,000 Iraqis died as a result of the US-led invasion. And the country is still a shambolic shadow of its old self. Most Iraqis are glad Saddam is gone, but they have no more love for the US invaders than they do for him. Many say life was better back then, so long as you kept your mouth shut. At least there was security, electricity, sewage and some semblance of dignity. Nothing quite robs a nation’s dignity like a foreign invasion and humiliating occupation.

  2. John SmithApril 5, 2011 at 11:48 amReply

    The Indians? Really? What about the Nazis, Fascists, Commies, Imperialists and other truly bad guys we fought? Should we have steered clear of those people also? Setting up torture camps? Do you mean prisons where they tortured people? If we could waterboard KSM for the rest of his dirty flea-riden life I would be all for it.

    I agree that we underestimated the Iraqis peoples thirst for freedom. It all comes back to that icky religion of Islam. If they really wanted freedom they would drag the extremists into the streets and run over their heads with bulldozers but the Iraqis don’t seem to want it that bad. They are content to live beside the people that are suicide bombing their women and children.

    Lets just take enough oil to cover our expenses, make a litte profit, and get out. We got them started toward freedom if they really want it they will have to make a bigger effort.

    • Brett WilkinsApril 5, 2011 at 12:25 pmReplyAuthor

      Most of the world sees the United States as a “bad guy,” John. And for good reason too. Invading a country like Iraq (which never did anything to us despite years of bombardment and sanctions that killed an estimated 500,000 Iraqi children) has a lot to do with this. So does the mentality you seem to espouse, which is disregard for the basic human rights of ALL people, even “War on Terror” detainees (the Pentagon admitted that the majority of them were innocent men and boys). The mentality that says the US has any right to invade a country that did nothing to it and “take enough oil to cover our expenses” is also a big part of the reason why the entire world (save for Israel and a few pockets of pro-US sentiment) views the US as the greatest threat to world peace– more so then Iran, North Korea or any other nation. By far. Because it is true.

  3. John SmithApril 5, 2011 at 12:51 pmReply

    To start off, I don’t care what the world thinks of us. Our humanitarian efforts and giving are unparalled. Oh, how quickly people forget that we freed the world(that’s right, all of it) in WWII.

    Which invading didn’t you like? After they raped Kuwait or after all of our representatives looked over what they believed was good intel and decided to proactively strike Iraq? Where we alone or did other nations join? 500,000 children seems high and I will assume it is until I see a credible source. How were the Iraqis human rights when they were being dropped into machines designed to grind large pieces of plastic in powder? With just a little more effort Iraq could be entirely free of tyranny and Islam.

    Which majority were innocent men and boys? The couple of dozen in Abu Ghraib that were so called tortured? How about the ridiculously high rate of released detainees from Guantanamo that have been released as innocent and are now showing up again on the battlefield? Are they innocent too?

    By freeing people from tyranny we are the greatest threat to world peace? Maybe we are the greatest threat to tyranny. North Korea isn’t a threat because they are starving under Commy rule. Iraq is run by a madman and isn’t a threat as long as Israel is willing to bomb the shit out of them. And they are. Ahhhh, run from the Americans they want to free us. We weren’t fighting Iraqis we were fighting Al Qaeda. We freed Iraq rather quickly without many casualties but the fight against terrorists is what caused most of the unwanted deaths. Until Iraqis decide that they will give no quarter to terrorists, drag them into the street like the dogs they are, and slaughter them the civilian deaths will continue. Even when we leave they will continue to kill their own. See every other Muslim country that we aren’t in to find out what terrorists do. Outside of a couple of horror stories to you think the Coalition really targeted civilians like terrorists do?

    Should we take oil to cover our expenses? Yes. If we could do it all over would I advocate going into that cesspool that is Iraq? No. We acted on the info we had and got sucked into a quagmire by terrorists. It isn’t pretty but that’s the way it is.

    • Brett WilkinsApril 6, 2011 at 9:43 amReplyAuthor

      This is fun… I will reply to each of your points in kind:
      * Yes, we freed much of the world (let’s not forget that the Red Army did as much freeing as we did) during WWII; but that was a LONG time ago. Since then, we’ve done nothing out of the goodness of our heart. Nor should we have, perhaps, the purpose of the nation state– any nation state– is self-serving.
      * The “rape” of Kuwait was largely exaggerated and fabricated. You remember the “Iraqi soldiers ripping newborns from incubators” story that was all over the news? Lies.
      *The whole “bad intel” excuse is a sham. Bushists planned the invasion of Iraq even BEFORE 9/11.
      *Yes, other nations joined us. Lapdog Britain,plus Italy & Spain, which were economically invested. Plus some tiny nations like Micronesia, which we obviously bribed into fighting. And a few Eastern Bloc nations that really had no reason to go except they were grateful for how we helped bring down communism.
      *The 500,000 dead children figure comes from the UN, which has no reason to exaggerate, since it was through the UN that the US imposed the sanctions.
      *Iraqi human rights violations had nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with the twisted tyrant Saddam Hussein, who was about as Muslim as the Pope’s penis.
      *Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s chief of staff, said back in 2004 that most GITMO detainees were innocent men and boys. Bush held them regardless, sensing it was politically unpopular to let them go. But after the ’04 election, he freed most of them– after years of knowingly locking up innocent men in horrific, tortured conditions.
      *Yes, former GITMO detainees are showing up on the battlefield. But ask yourself– if you were an innocent (or even not so innocent) man locked away in a sweltering hellhole for years, might you not hold a little grudge against your captors?
      *It was not just a “couple of dozen in Abu Ghraib” who were tortured. Thousands have been horribly tortured by US troops, including many female prisoners raped. The torture literally went by the book– CIA and military torture manuals written and utilized during the Cold War and taught to security forces around the world at the School of the Americas at Ft. Benning. Kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture, and execution are among the classes taught with YOUR tax dollars.
      *American only attacks countries that can’t fight back or who don’t already have WMDs. THAT is why we do not attack North Korea, whose leader starves millions of his own people, imprisons entire families for one member committing the tiniest infraction, and who has nuclear weapons.
      *We did not “free” Iraq. We made it into a neo-colony, re-writing their laws so that US corporations control the country. Case in point: Iraq, the birthplace of agriculture, now relies upon Monsanto for seeds, and saving or re-using farmers’ seeds is now illegal. This is but ONE example… we’ve also targeted labor unions, intellectuals and anyone else who opposed the US occupation for arrest, torture or even killing.
      *NO, the coalition does not target civilians the same as terrorists do. But what’s the difference when we’ve killed many times more people by “accident” then the terrorists have on purpose? More than 100,000 innocent Iraqis are dead because of our invasion. They will never forget that.

  4. john doeApril 27, 2011 at 10:15 amReply

    yes going into iraq was a corrupt thing to do, yes staying there for oil is probably profiteering. But thats kinda what the US is all about. I mean thats how the us obtained California, by coming up with some excuse to invade and expand. The US has a history of profiting of war; and Trump is just another average American with the mentality that has made us a major power since the world wars. No its not ethical or pretty but it is necessary if soccer moms want to continue driving there escalades.

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